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Friday, March 9, 2012

Its time to re-think what philosophy is? (Facebook Philosophy)

Zaker Hussain : its time to re-think what philosophy is?

08-03-2012

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You and Mohammed Abdullah like this.
- Desh Raj Sirswal Specially in Indian context, we have to think again to define philosophy
  19 hours ago via mobile ·
- Zaker Hussain from the times of Thales till today every philosopher have almost given his own ism or theory, which we find overpowered by another ism so we are not able to know to what extent this intellectual exercise is successful in determining what exactly philosophy is or what are the areas of concern for a philosopher....................your comments?
  18 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao Philosophy is ' rational activity' to know the self to liberate from what we don't want . aatma va are drushtavya shrotavy mantavya.
  18 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao Trividh dukho se mukti hetu jnana --darshan .
  18 hours ago · · 1
- Zaker Hussain we always use to infer mankind as rational who carry rational activity but the very concept of rationality is deeply rooted in unconsciousness.
  18 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao Your comment need clarity.Reason(Buddhi) is unconscious(Samkhya Philosophy)but 'rationality' can not be unconscious activity.Rationality evolves only when consciousness joins Reason.Reason (Buddhi)+Consciousness =Rationality or rational activity.Pangu-Andhavat.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- Zaker Hussain this is with reference to frued
  17 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao ‎"..concept of rationality is deeply rooted in unconsciousness"--needs clarity.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao We never 'infer' mankind as rational-we 'know' beyond doubt that we are rational.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao There is difference between 'antahkaran'( Mind) 'chetana'(consciousness)Frued 's consciousness is mind (antahkaran)
  17 hours ago ·
- Zaker Hussain according to psychoanalytic tradition it began as that part of the mind that contained our repressed anxieties, and later it developed into the site of repression for the Oedipus complex, which is the illicit desire to sleep with one's mother and kill one's father.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- Zaker Hussain The resultant status of the unconscious mind may be viewed as a social construction–that the unconscious exists because people agree to behave as if it exists.Symbolic interactionism discusses this further and argues that people's selves (conscious and unconscious) are although purposeful and creative are nevertheless social products. The term "unconscious mind" is most closely associated with Sigmund Freud and his followers. It lies at the heart of psychoanalysis.
  
  Consciousness, in Freud's l view (which was his first of several psychological models of the mind) was a relatively thin perceptual aspect of the mind, whereas the subconscious was that merely autonomic function of the brain. The unconscious was considered by Freud throughout the evolution of his psychoanalytic theory a sentient force of will influenced by human drive and yet operating well below the perceptual conscious mind. For Freud, the unconscious is the storehouse of instinctual desires, needs, and psychic actions. While past thoughts and memories may be deleted from immediate consciousness, they direct the thoughts and feelings of the individual from the realm of the unconscious. In this early view, the psychic struggle exists between the instinctual forces of the unconscious against the social demands of the conscious mind.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao we have changed exchange of views from philosophy to psychology.
  17 hours ago · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao As I said psychology talks about conscious ,sub conscious unconscious 'mind' and not consciousness.
  17 hours ago ·
- Zaker Hussain obviously that's what i was saying we are still not able to define what are the limits of philosophy after doing philosophy for thousands of year,
  17 hours ago · · 1
- Zaker Hussain i thank you for your valuable comments
  17 hours ago · · 1
- Zaker Hussain drs ur comments
  17 hours ago ·
- Desh Raj Sirswal For me philosophy is a rational- conceptual evalution of ideas related to life and world and its application to man,s life. Philosophical discussion is always related to some special issues since ancient time and developed in many traditions.
  16 hours ago via mobile ·
- Desh Raj Sirswal Our need to concentrate on relevant issues and get a philosophical approach and consciouness to deal positively.
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Tuesday, February 28, 2012

Dialogue on Philosophy at Facebook

"दर्शन के नाम पर भारत में एक ऐसी अबोद्दिकता का प्रचार किया जाता है जिसे अध्यातम का नाम देकर बुद्धि के अनंत आक्षेपों से बचाया जाता है। बात शब्द की नही है यदि दर्शन का अर्थ वही है जो ये लोग देते हैं; तो हमे उसके लिए कोई नया नाम खोजना पड़ेगा जिसका बुद्धि ही शेत्र है और तर्क जिसका प्राण है। शायद 'फिल्स्फा' उसके लिए अधिक उपुक्त शब्द हो। यह पुस्तक या पुस्तिका ......... इसी विश्वास पर आधारित है की जहाँ बुद्धि की बात नही है वहां दर्शन की बात करना फिजूल है। ध्यान लगाइए , घड्ताल बजाइए , प्राणायाम कीजिये ,योग साधिये, यह सब खुशी से कीजिये ,पर कम से कम इनको दर्शन की संज्ञा मत दीजिये। अलग- अलग चीजो को एक नाम से पुकारने से कोई लाभ नही है ।"- Prof Daya Krishan : "ज्ञान मीमांसा" नामक किताब से ॥

February 12 at 6:35pm

You and Vipin Sangar like this.
- B Kameshwar Rao Darshan ,Darshanshastra and Philosophy are not samme.
  February 12 at 10:35pm · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao भारत के विश्वविद्यालयों में दर्शन शास्त्र के नाम पर फिलोसोफी का पाश्चात्य ज्ञान और चश्मे से भारत को समझने की दीर्घ प्रक्रिया से मुक्त होने में अभी समय लगेगा.अभी हमें ' दर्शन' और 'दर्शन शास्त्र' का अंतर भी ध्यान में रखना होगा.दया जी दर्शनशास्त्री थे दार्शनिक नहीं ( ज्ञान मीमांसा की रचना के समय ).इसलिए उनका मत बाद में संभवतः वे स्वयं अमान्य कर देते .फिलासफी केवल बौद्धिक व्यायाम है .दर्शन जीवन की मौलिक समस्याओं के समाधान का प्रयास है. इस प्रयास का बौद्धिक प्रतिफल दर्शनशास्त्र है .
  February 12 at 10:37pm · · 1
- Desh Raj Sirswal Thanks sir. Then what we think what is considered popular meaning of philosophy in India.
  February 12 at 10:46pm via mobile ·
- Lakhwinder Singh you all indian philosopher just doing re explaination and translation of indian philosophy.. nobody wants to find practical aspects of it. even there is not any standardise thought of indian philosophy as well. every body knows that indian philosophy is very rich socially, emotionally, physically and psychologically. other world using our knowledge and we are sitting like baapu ji ke Bandar.
  February 13 at 12:34am · · 2
- B Kameshwar Rao ‎@Deshraj-It is very clear from many (mostly all) authors that in India Darshanshaastra is an unity of communication of Religious experience,experience of reality at different stages and Rational analysis of experience.
  February 13 at 7:22pm · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao Contd.- But of course,imported concept of Philosophy of which we -academicians are -accustomed, ignores the content of "experience of reality(realization) and training/practice of realization.
  February 13 at 7:27pm · · 1
- B Kameshwar Rao ‎@Lakhwinder Singh-Unless we stop importing concepts from West and try to understand Indianity in different fields of knowledge (i.e stop becoming Teen Bandar).
  February 13 at 7:32pm · · 2
- Desh Raj Sirswal Sir you are right but religiousness takeover academic philosophy
  February 13 at 7:51pm via mobile ·
- B Kameshwar Rao How the question of takeover arises ? In all Indian Philosophical systems we have pramaan mimamsa,Tattvamimamsa,aachaar miamsa,moksha mimamsa in a balanced quantity.Because the aim of all rational activities is Moksha /liberation(which is religion.).One part of the body can not overtake the other part.If you separate them it will loose it significance in life and will remain only intellectual game(i.e. Philosophy in imported concept.)
  February 13 at 9:23pm · · 1
- Desh Raj Sirswal But sometime we actually feel in own dept. that philosophy is not there, teachers are teaching only and only religion with the name of philosophy.
  February 16 at 8:59am via mobile ·
- B Kameshwar Rao Reason and Faith are different but not separate. Like wise Philosophy and Religion are different but not separate.Teach philosophy religiously and teach religion philosophically.
  February 16 at 9:25am · · 1
- Desh Raj Sirswal You are right. Teachers also use philosophical methods and also teach students how to philosophize.
  February 16 at 9:48am via mobile ·

Desh Raj Sirswal Specially in Indian context, we have to think again to define philosophy

19 hours ago via mobile ·

Zaker Hussain from the times of Thales till today every philosopher have almost given his own ism or theory, which we find overpowered by another ism so we are not able to know to what extent this intellectual exercise is successful in determining what exactly philosophy is or what are the areas of concern for a philosopher....................your comments?

18 hours ago · ·

B Kameshwar Rao Philosophy is ' rational activity' to know the self to liberate from what we don't want . aatma va are drushtavya shrotavy mantavya.

B Kameshwar Rao Trividh dukho se mukti hetu jnana --darshan .

Zaker Hussain we always use to infer mankind as rational who carry rational activity but the very concept of rationality is deeply rooted in unconsciousness.

B Kameshwar Rao Your comment need clarity.Reason(Buddhi) is unconscious(Samkhya Philosophy)but 'rationality' can not be unconscious activity.Rationality evolves only when consciousness joins Reason.Reason (Buddhi)+Consciousness =Rationality or rational activity.Pangu-Andhavat.

17 hours ago · ·

Zaker Hussain this is with reference to frued

B Kameshwar Rao ‎"..concept of rationality is deeply rooted in unconsciousness"--needs clarity.

B Kameshwar Rao We never 'infer' mankind as rational-we 'know' beyond doubt that we are rational.

B Kameshwar Rao There is difference between 'antahkaran'( Mind) 'chetana'(consciousness)Frued 's consciousness is mind (antahkaran)

17 hours ago ·

Zaker Hussain according to psychoanalytic tradition it began as that part of the mind that contained our repressed anxieties, and later it developed into the site of repression for the Oedipus complex, which is the illicit desire to sleep with one's mother and kill one's father.

Zaker Hussain The resultant status of the unconscious mind may be viewed as a social construction–that the unconscious exists because people agree to behave as if it exists.Symbolic interactionism discusses this further and argues that people's selves (conscious and unconscious) are although purposeful and creative are nevertheless social products. The term "unconscious mind" is most closely associated with Sigmund Freud and his followers. It lies at the heart of psychoanalysis.

Consciousness, in Freud's l view (which was his first of several psychological models of the mind) was a relatively thin perceptual aspect of the mind, whereas the subconscious was that merely autonomic function of the brain. The unconscious was considered by Freud throughout the evolution of his psychoanalytic theory a sentient force of will influenced by human drive and yet operating well below the perceptual conscious mind. For Freud, the unconscious is the storehouse of instinctual desires, needs, and psychic actions. While past thoughts and memories may be deleted from immediate consciousness, they direct the thoughts and feelings of the individual from the realm of the unconscious. In this early view, the psychic struggle exists between the instinctual forces of the unconscious against the social demands of the conscious mind.

B Kameshwar Rao we have changed exchange of views from philosophy to psychology.

B Kameshwar Rao As I said psychology talks about conscious ,sub conscious unconscious 'mind' and not consciousness.

Zaker Hussain obviously that's what i was saying we are still not able to define what are the limits of philosophy after doing philosophy for thousands of year,

Zaker Hussain i thank you for your valuable comments

Zaker Hussain drs ur comments

Desh Raj Sirswal For me philosophy is a rational- conceptual evalution of ideas related to life and world and its application to man,s life. Philosophical discussion is always related to some special issues since ancient time and developed in many traditions.

16 hours ago via mobile ·

Desh Raj Sirswal Our need to concentrate on relevant issues and get a philosophical approach and consciouness to deal positively.

16 hours ago via mobile · ·